In this conversation, Dr. Dan welcomes J.S. Park, a hospital chaplain whose roles include grief counseling, attending deaths, assisting with end-of-life care, and patient and family advocacy. J.S.'s work has been featured on CNN, NPR, Today, and Good Morning America, and he is the author of several books, including The Voices We Carry and As Long As You Need. His latest book, We Are Made of Us, explores generational trauma, family dynamics, and what it takes to rewrite the patterns we inherit. Drawing on more than a decade spent at the bedsides of patients and families facing death, addiction, abuse, and grief, J.S. offers a grounded, compassionate view of what it means to remain human in life's hardest moments.

J.S. and Dr. Dan explore how childhood shapes the survival skills we carry into adulthood, and how J.S.'s own hypervigilance became both a strength in his work and a burden in his personal life. J.S. challenges the common idea that healing requires completely "breaking the cycle," offering instead a vision built around moments of relief and circles of safety. The conversation moves through his path into chaplaincy, the risks he sometimes takes to meet a patient's real need in a crisis, his evolving relationship with faith, and what it means to become a safe home for his own children while still tending to the wounds of his younger self.