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Dr. Andrea Jones-Rooy — data scientist, stand-up comedian, and circus performer — transforms how we think about data and what it means to be a global citizen. Born from a grad school epiphany reading Robert Axelrod's work on cultural polarization (using zeros and ones to predict how we divide into groups), Andrea went from self-proclaimed math-hater to data evangelist proving "there are no bad people at math, just bad math teachers." She unpacks what data actually is (information we chose to write down, not truth), why "data speaks for itself" is dangerous mythology, how to evaluate any study (look for actual data, check how things were measured, assess if conclusions are warranted), why measurement is everything (defining "coffee consumption" vs "anxiety" determines entire study validity), how sensationalism spreads (anger/fear go viral), and the framework for engaging with data: humble bravery (humble about being wrong + brave enough to engage), curiosity, and creativity — "the engines of the future." A call for data literacy as citizenship, science with humility, and multi-potentiality as strength. Coffee doesn't cause anxiety; drinking six cups daily correlates with increased heart rate in study participants — the distinction matters.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN

  • What data actually is

  • Why "data speaks for itself" is false

  • How to evaluate any study

  • Why measurement is everything in a study

  • How sensationalism works

  • What data literacy as global citizenship means

  • What "humble bravery" looks like

  • Why curiosity and creativity are engines of the future

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May 8, 2025

Andrea Jones-Rooy

Using Data to Make the World Better

Using Data to Make the World Better
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Transcript

"Data is information we chose to write down and track... The sentence I hate most in the world is 'the data speaks for itself.' The data doesn't speak for itself — we say things about the data."

TIMESTAMPS

  • 00:02:30 – Math-hater to data scientist

  • 00:19:52 – What data is (and isn't)

  • 00:22:56 – "Data speaks for itself" myth

  • 00:30:44 – How to evaluate studies

  • 00:32:24 – Measurement is everything

  • 00:36:47 – Sensationalism and virality

  • 00:38:01 – Data literacy as citizenship

  • 00:40:04 – Science activism and humility

  • 00:58:15 – Humble bravery framework

  • 01:00:00 – Curiosity and creativity as engines

SHOW NOTES

Dr. Dan interviews Andrea Jones-Rooy – data scientist, educator, podcast host, comedian, and circus performer – about how data informs our journeys to being our best selves. Based on her life of weaving in between the worlds of science and art, Andrea believes that it’s at the intersection of science and art that we can make the biggest, most life-changing, and world-changing discoveries.


Andrea’s multi-hyphenate careers (she is equally comfortable entertaining at comedy clubs, speaking to Fortune 500 companies, and sitting behind the podcast mic) prove data is the foundation of how we live, how we make decisions, and how we can make the world a better place.

LINKS & RESOURCES

Dr. Andrea Jones-Rooy

  • Website — JonesRooy.com

  • Social Media — @JonesRooy (all platforms)

  • Podcast — Behind the Data (BehindTheDataShow.com) — conversations with experts about specific datasets, measurement, and surprising conclusions


Key Researcher Mentioned

  • Robert Axelrod — Scholar whose work on cultural information exchange and polarization sparked Andrea's data science epiphany; used computer simulations to predict how cultures divide into groups with no overlap

GUEST BIO

Dr. Andrea Jones-Rooy is a data scientist obsessed with sharing the power of thinking like a data scientist with the world. Originally trained as a political scientist, she holds a PhD from the University of Michigan and is particularly interested in using data to understand thorny political and social problems and then using that clarity to make the world better. Formerly a professor of data science at NYU and a quantitative researcher at FiveThirtyEight, Andrea speaks and trains globally — from Fortune 500s to tech companies to the UN — on applying data science to tough problems. She hosts the podcast Behind the Data and previously hosted Majoring in Everything. Andrea is also a stand-up comedian, circus performer, and acrobat who performs fire dance and aerial acts. She lives by the principle that curiosity, imagination, and creativity are the engines of the future.

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